Cross & Gavel Podcast

The Cross & Gavel podcast is designed for Christian lawyers and law students, but our topics range from pop culture to theology, from books to movies. Host Anton Sorkin invites a variety of guests to speak on topics relating broadly to faith and culture, but our focus is on the intersection of faith and work, particularly work in the law.

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Recent Podcasts

Kim Colby, Director, Center for Law and Religious Freedom, Christian Legal Society

Another term, another Supreme Court review! Kim Colby and I talk about the cases that impacted the state of religious liberty in America and what the future may bring. 


Daniel Bare, Assistant Professor, Religious Studies, Texas A&M

Joining us today to talk about conservative Christianity and racial identity in the segregation era is historian Daniel Bare. We talk about the fundamentalist tradition in the early twentieth century and why the influence of the black church was lost during this period.


Andrew L. Whitehead, Associate Professor of Sociology and Director of the Association of Religion Data Archives, IUPUI

From the Book of Numbers to the storming of the Capitol, Andrew L. Whitehead joins us today to discuss Christian Nationalism and its impact on American religion. His new book, with co-author Samuel Perry, offers a seminal sociological study for understanding this new movement, including the various ways Christian Nationalists think, vote, and manifest their desires for a renewed Christian America.


Drew Nelson, Preacher, Southside Church of Christ, Mt. Pleasant, TX

Volume 4 of "Small Brains on Big Books" features Drew Nelson and Mike Schutt discussing the great Christian poem Beowulf. You'll love this discussion, even if you didn't love Beowulf in High School.


Joan McElveen, Law Student Ministries Coordinator, Christian Legal Society

September Law Student Leaders Roundtable. Join host Mike Schutt, Law Student Ministries Communications Coordinator Joan McElveen, Pepperdine 3L Reed Bartley, and law student leaders from other law schools across the country, as they share and discuss virtual meetings that work.


Law Student Leaders' Summit

Listen in on excerpts from our first-ever national Law Student Leaders' Summit, featuring an introduction to Law Student Ministries, an overview of Christian Legal Society's four ministries, an exhortation on the calling of the leader, and some questions and sharing by campus leaders from all over the country.


Kim Colby, Director, Center for Law and Religious Freedom, Christian Legal Society

On Wednesday, September 9, the Department of Education announced a new rule that will protect religious groups meeting on public university campuses. Kim Colby, the director of the Center for Law and Religious Freedom at Christian Legal Society, lays out why the regulation was necessary, and what it will mean for students. The Department's announcement is here.  


Drew Nelson, Preacher, Southside Church of Christ, Mt. Pleasant, TX

The Book, The Benedict Option, by Rod Dreher, has been widely discussed, and rightly so, in Christian circles since its publication, and, as Drew and Mike discuss, Dreher’s challenge to the Church to be the Church is a welcome one, regardless of the relative dangers of secular culture. Yet the book’s insights on that score are helpful, too, and Drew and Mike highlight Dreher's key insights on politics, education, and technology as they relate to his main thesis. 


Kim Colby, Director, Reed Smith, Litigation Director, Center for Law and Religious Freedom

Kim Colby and Reed Smith of the Center for Law and Religious Freedom unpack the troubling Supreme Court decision in Bostock v. Clayton County, Georgia, handed down June 15. Justice Gorsuch seems to abandon his vaunted "textualism" in favor of a convoluted "literalism" with disastrous results. This is part three of three episodes discussing the important Supreme Court decisions of the last three weeks. 


Kim Colby, Director, Reed Smith, Litigation Director, Center for Law and Religious Freedom

Between June 15 and June 30, 2020, the US Supreme Court handed down three significant decisions of critical interest to religious conservatives. Kim Colby and Reed Smith, attorneys at the Center for Law & Religious Freedom, join host Mike Schutt to discuss each case. Their conversation is divided into three episodes, one for each case.


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